According to commentators Lan Ladyman and Chris Sutton, coach Erik ten Hag looks like a known dead body as Manchester Uniteds historic poor season continues.
After a 2-0 defeat to West Ham on Saturday, Man United have lost 13 games in all competitions this season - compared to 11 wins.
It will take us back to 1930 - when Man United were at the bottom of the table - to see how many times they have lost more before Christmas.
In the current Premier League, Man United have dropped to 8th. Along with being eliminated from the Champions League and Carabao Cup, the "Red Devils" have endured a miserable first half of the season.
Their opponent tonight - Traditional December 26 gift-giving ceremony in England, is Aston Villa, the team that is flying high with 3rd place.
With billionaire Sir Jim Ratcliffe completing the £1.25 billion buy-back of a 25% stake in Man United, there is much hope and optimism for a revolution at Old Trafford to turn things around.
There will be players who are "cleared", new players brought in, and even more changes off the pitch to get Man United back on track. However, in the eyes of Sutton and Ladyman, that revolution would not have been successful if Ten Hag had remained in the coaching position.
They believe that Ten Hag's time at the "Theater of Dreams" may be over.
We have defended Erik ten Hag and supported him, talked about the good things he did at Manchester United and the need for patience, Mail Sports Ladyman told Its All Kicking Off.
I told you this, right now, before Jim Ratcliffes investment at Old Trafford, he was like a dead body.
I hate to say that, but he's traveling. I look at him as if he is dreaming of traveling towards the door.
And Sutton agreed: I think so too. I really want to know when. I really want to remember him when I described him as 'Erik 10 matches'. I will not go too far with that.
I think his term for a dead person is correct.
What really worried me about him was that I didn't know what games he was watching and then came out and said they played well.
He knows, they did not play to Manchester United's standards against West Ham. They didn't play well when we were at Old Trafford and Bayern Munich won without sweating.
That is a big concern and there are many problems everywhere. I mean, where did you start?".
And while expressing sympathy for the £72 million summer signing of Rasmus Hojlund, who has yet to score in the Premier League, Sutton criticized Antony for thinking only about himself.
Ladyman added a statistic that Man United wingers have only passed Hojlund 11 times in the Premier League this season. And that is the part that Ten Hag cannot solve.
In fact, a few days ago, striker Wout Weghost - who was loaned to Man United last season, criticized Ten Hag's tactics, "turning the striker into the foundation for other stars to shine".
He has Bruno Fernandes, Marcus Rashford, and (Alejandro) Garnacho, Antony and (Anthony) Martial, (Jadon) Sancho and Hojlund. They couldn't create chances and I was afraid it was the coach's fault.
That's why I think anyone who makes a big investment like Jim Ratcliffe will need to look at the manager and see signs that he knows what he's doing, Ladyman concluded.
